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Post by Abdoa on Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:22 am

SENATE OF THE PARLIAMENTARY UNION

SENATE ORDER 2015-1

TITLE:     REFERENDUM BILL

WHEREAS:     this Bill grants the members of this Union the power to themselves make the most important decisions of this Union;
WHEREAS:    the members of this Union currently have no direct say in any of the decisions of this Union;
WHEREAS:   the members of this Union should have a say in those decisions which will most strongly affect them, be it therefore
ORDERED:    that the President, with the consent of the Prime Minister and at least two Senators, may call a Yes/No referendum on a specific issue;
ORDERED:    that the President be required to call a Yes/No referendum on a specific issue if a petition signed by at least 20% of the membership of this Union requesting him to do so is presented to him.

October 24, 2015
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THE KINGDOM OF STORNLAND, SENATOR
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Novum Urbem on Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:45 am

May any member of the Union debate on the issue?
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:46 am

Libertarian Democracy approves of this bill in it's entirety, however, feels that it is too ambiguous. What kinds of laws can go to referendum? What if the bill is passed by Parliament before a petition lands on the President's desk? How many votes does a referendum bill need to pass? What happens when a referendum passes? Does Parliament get a say in the vote?
At this time, we feel this proposal is inadequate, and should be more specific.

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by The Pie Mines on Mon Oct 26, 2015 3:19 am

Debate for this bill will end at 5:00 PM Central Daylight Time on Tuesday, October 27 2015, at which point voting will begin.
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Abdoa on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:04 am

How do amendments get voted on? We feel the best way to incorporate comments like Libertarian Democracy's would be to attach amendments to the bill.

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by The Pie Mines on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:13 am

Have someone propose an amended version in this thread, and assumng it gets seconded, I will call a vote on it. (That seems like the best way, lemme know if you have a better idea!)
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Abdoa on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:30 am

Amendments that would include the following:

Amendment I: to replace the word "a" by the word "any" before the phrase "specif issue" throughout the bill.

Amendment II: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: that the President will be required to call a Yes/No referendum under the preceding circumstances even if the issue it addresses has already been voted on by the Parliament.

Amendment III: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: that a simple majority Yes vote is required for the referendum to result in the accepting of its terms - in the event of a tie its terms are rejected.

Amendment IV: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: that if the terms of any referendum are accepted, they are considered binding law.

Amendment V: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: that the members of the government and of this Parliament have no direct influence over the result of any referendum apart from their one vote as member of this Union.

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Abdoa on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:31 am

That way sounds great.

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by The Pie Mines on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:34 am

Okay, as soon as someone says they'd like to second any of those amendments, we can vote on them.
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Abdoa on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:34 am

Great!

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:11 am

We second the motion to amend.

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by The Kingdom of Stornland on Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:47 am

I'd like to second all of the proposed amendments, but first I have a question: what if a petition is rejected, but the members of the Union want to send the same petition again? I suggest making two more amendments to prevent spamming petitions:


Amendment VI: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: if any petition is rejected, the President is required to call a Yes/No referendum on the same specific issue if a petition is signed by 40% of the membership of this Union.
Amendment VII: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: if any petition is rejected twice, the same petition cannot be sent until 24 hours have passed since the last petition on the same specific issue was sent.
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Murakami Clan on Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:46 pm

With all the present amendments I support this legislation, suggesting the inability to call a Yes/No referendum on the same specific issue that has been rejected twice, regardless any higher percentage but the unanimity.

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Abdoa on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:56 pm

I support all the amendments that have been proposed.

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Abdoa on Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:04 pm

We would however request that Amendment VII be altered the say "until the next term" instead of "until 24 hours [..] issue was sent." We think 24 hours is still too short of a time. However, its just a suggestion.

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by The Pie Mines on Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:16 pm

Quick update, guys, I apparently don't have permission to make threads on the voting chamber board, so I asked the founder if he could give me permission. As soon as that happens, we can vote on the amendments. If need be, I will extend debate on this bill to ensure we have enough time to discuss everything that needs to be discussed.
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by The Kingdom of Stornland on Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:20 pm

What do you mean by "the next term"? The next PM's term? Or any term? Or a specific term that has to be specified for proposing petitions?
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Abdoa on Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:48 pm

By the next term I mean any term. Essentially the next month.

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by The Kingdom of Stornland on Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:11 pm

Then, I wish to second all of the following amendments (all these were mentioned already, but I changed the last one):


Amendment I: to replace the word "a" by the word "any" before the phrase "specif issue" throughout the bill.

Amendment II: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: that the President will be required to call a Yes/No referendum under the preceding circumstances even if the issue it addresses has already been voted on by the Parliament.

Amendment III: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: that a simple majority Yes vote is required for the referendum to result in the accepting of its terms - in the event of a tie its terms are rejected.

Amendment IV: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: that if the terms of any referendum are accepted, they are considered binding law.

Amendment V: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: that the members of the government and of this Parliament have no direct influence over the result of any referendum apart from their one vote as member of this Union.

Amendment VI: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: if any petition is rejected, the President is required to call a Yes/No referendum on the same specific issue if a petition is signed by 40% of the membership of this Union.

Amendment VII: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: if any petition is rejected twice, the same petition cannot be sent until a month has passed since the last petition.
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Abdoa on Mon Oct 26, 2015 9:41 pm

Great! I support all those amendments.

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:27 pm

All amendments are supported.
Although perhaps expanding on Amendment II would be wise:

Amendment II: to insert the following clause at the end of the bill:
ORDERED: that the President will be required to call a Yes/No referendum under the preceding circumstances even if the issue it addresses has already been voted on by the Parliament, and the result of the referendum shall supersede that of the parliamentary vote.
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by Abdoa on Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:38 pm

Right, I agree with that modification of amendment II.

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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by The Pie Mines on Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:58 pm

Voting is now open for the amendments. Please submit your votes in the chamber.
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by The Pie Mines on Tue Oct 27, 2015 9:33 pm

Because not enough people have voted on the amendments, I am extending debate on this for 24 hours, so until 5 PM CDT tomorrow (Wednesday)
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Re: Referendum Bill

Post by The Pie Mines on Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:06 pm

The Amendments have passed, and the bill now reads as follows:

SENATE OF THE PARLIAMENTARY UNION

SENATE ORDER 2015-1

TITLE: REFERENDUM BILL

WHEREAS: this Bill grants the members of this Union the power to themselves make the most important decisions of this Union;
WHEREAS: the members of this Union currently have no direct say in any of the decisions of this Union;
WHEREAS: the members of this Union should have a say in those decisions which will most strongly affect them, be it therefore
ORDERED: that the President, with the consent of the Prime Minister and at least two Senators, may call a Yes/No referendum on ant specific issue;
ORDERED: that the President be required to call a Yes/No referendum on any specific issue if a petition signed by at least 20% of the membership of this Union requesting him to do so is presented to him;
ORDERED: that the President will be required to call a Yes/No referendum under the preceding circumstances even if the issue it addresses has already been voted on by the Parliament, and the result of the referendum shall supersede that of the parliamentary vote;
ORDERED: that a simple majority Yes vote is required for the referendum to result in the accepting of its terms - in the event of a tie its terms are rejected;
ORDERED: that if the terms of any referendum are accepted, they are considered binding law;
ORDERED: that the members of the government and of this Parliament have no direct influence over the result of any referendum apart from their one vote as member of this Union;
ORDERED: if any petition is rejected, the President is required to call a Yes/No referendum on the same specific issue if a petition is signed by 40% of the membership of this Union;
ORDERED: if any petition is rejected twice, the same petition cannot be sent until a month has passed since the last petition.

October 24, 2015
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