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SO 2017-6 Temporary Founder Election Lock-down Permissions Act

Post by Abdoa on Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:25 am

SO 2017-6

Temporary Founder Election Lock-down Permissions


WHEREAS this Chamber finds that electoral fraud or attempted electoral fraud is a persistent problem at our elections,

WHEREAS this Chamber feels that, the Founder, though ultimate source of authority in the region, should constitutionally only take extensive measures in exceptional cases,

WHEREAS as we have seen, attempted electoral fraud is not an exceptional occurrence, and

NOTING that the following provisions are temporary, until a fully fledged bill may be brought before Parliament to address this issue, it is hereby

ALLOWED and REQUESTED that the Founder close the regional borders with password protection, not disclosing the password, within 72 hours before the start of any election, only removing password protection after the conclusion of the electoral cycle and the publication of the results, and

ORDERED that the permissions and procedures in this bill will lose the force of law exactly two months after the passage of this bill, except in the case of an extension bill brought through Parliament.

February 3, 2017
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Re: SO 2017-6 Temporary Founder Election Lock-down Permissions Act

Post by Nassau-Windsor on Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:57 am

My Right Honourable friend wrote a very interesting and promising Bill once again, as he always does!

I can see where this Bill goes and I will say that I agree with the direction. However, I do have one question:

Would the Prime Minister agree with me that, by putting an exact period of time in the Bill allows members, raiders, etc. to take advantage of it, in the way that they could just create a puppet directly before an election lockdown? In my opinion, we should say that the password-protection can be applied within say three days before the election.

I would also make the following suggestion: that a specific provision is included in which it is written down that the lockdown cannot be applied with regards to an election of the Prime Minister, for as only members of the World Assembly may vote in such elections, and that thus no member/raider/etc. can use a puppet/raider/etc. to vote in favour of himself or another candidate.

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Post by SiriusKnight on Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:09 am

Nassau-Windsor wrote:My Right Honourable friend wrote a very interesting and promising Bill once again, as he always does!

I can see where this Bill goes and I will say that I agree with the direction. However, I do have one question:

Would the Prime Minister agree with me that, by putting an exact period of time in the Bill allows members, raiders, etc. to take advantage of it, in the way that they could just create a puppet directly before an election lockdown? In my opinion, we should say that the password-protection can be applied within say three days before the election.

I would also make the following suggestion: that a specific provision is included in which it is written down that the lockdown cannot be applied with regards to an election of the Prime Minister, for as only members of the World Assembly may vote in such elections, and that thus no member/raider/etc. can use a puppet/raider/etc. to vote in favour of himself or another candidate.

Yo have the point on lock down the region days before the election (at here you mentioned three days).
However, I would like to proposed that in case of times before any elections if there is quite an unusual amount of nations join our region, these nation should be investigate or their vote consider to be uncounted.

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Re: SO 2017-6 Temporary Founder Election Lock-down Permissions Act

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:26 pm

Nassau-Windsor wrote:My Right Honourable friend wrote a very interesting and promising Bill once again, as he always does!

I can see where this Bill goes and I will say that I agree with the direction. However, I do have one question:

Would the Prime Minister agree with me that, by putting an exact period of time in the Bill allows members, raiders, etc. to take advantage of it, in the way that they could just create a puppet directly before an election lockdown? In my opinion, we should say that the password-protection can be applied within say three days before the election.

I would also make the following suggestion: that a specific provision is included in which it is written down that the lockdown cannot be applied with regards to an election of the Prime Minister, for as only members of the World Assembly may vote in such elections, and that thus no member/raider/etc. can use a puppet/raider/etc. to vote in favour of himself or another candidate.
While we understand you concerns, your solution in my opinion does not adequately address them. Could someone intending to commit voter fraud not just send a puppet three days before the election with your solution?

Nevertheless I do support changing the time period to within 72 hours to allow the Founder greater flexibility given a greater time window.
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Re: SO 2017-6 Temporary Founder Election Lock-down Permissions Act

Post by Nassau-Windsor on Sat Feb 04, 2017 9:20 pm

Libertarian Democracy wrote:While we understand you concerns, your solution in my opinion does not adequately address them.  Could someone intending to commit voter fraud not just send a puppet three days before the election with your solution?

Nevertheless I do support changing the time period to within 72 hours to allow the Founder greater flexibility given a greater time window.

My Honourable friend makes a valid point: the solution does not adequately address the issue. However, no solution could possible resolve the issue beforehand. People who have the wish to influence our elections will always be looking forward for measures to do so. With my proposal, it would be made more difficult because the period in which they can act directly before an election would be limited as they do not know when exactly the ban will be imposed.

I am grateful that he supports my proposal to change the time period to within 72 hours nonetheless.

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Post by Abdoa on Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:11 pm

Bill changed. Thanks for your comments!

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Post by Nassau-Windsor on Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:24 pm

Abdoa wrote:Bill changed. Thanks for your comments!

I thank my Right Honourable friend for being so open to changes of his proposals.

It seems to me however, that the Prime Minister, due to his extremely busy schedule, has overlooked my earlier suggestion. Would he therefore be willing to comment on it now?

Earlier suggestion:
I would also make the following suggestion: that a specific provision is included in which it is written down that the lockdown cannot be applied with regards to an election of the Prime Minister, for as only members of the World Assembly may vote in such elections, and that thus no member/raider/etc. can use a puppet/raider/etc. to vote in favour of himself or another candidate.

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Post by Abdoa on Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:30 pm

I think I would feel safer if the lockdown applied to all elections: the WA doesn't root out double membership instantaneously, so the result could still be influenced late in the election.

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Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:30 am

Abdoa is correct. Sometimes it takes days to even weeks for a violator of the WA Multi Rule to have their membership revoked.

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Post by SiriusKnight on Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:38 am

I think we might need to list down on which nations is puppet to another nations
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Re: SO 2017-6 Temporary Founder Election Lock-down Permissions Act

Post by Abdoa on Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:46 am

I had thought of that too. But that sort of comes back down to the whole register to vote stuff... Lets keep in mind that this is intended as a placeholder bill.

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Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:05 am

Endorsed!

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Re: SO 2017-6 Temporary Founder Election Lock-down Permissions Act

Post by Abdoa on Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:07 am

Great! Moved to the debate hall!

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