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SO 2017-8 Electoral Act

Post by Islamic State Of Malaya on Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:53 pm

Electoral Act
SO-2017-8

Definition : An act to prevent any electoral frauds and reduce the number of ineligible votes.

The region is concerned about the electoral frauds that may happen in future elections. The Presidential Elections that was held not too long ago have spurred the doubts of many nations. I do hereby propose these set of Legislation .

Article i Complete Shutdown Of Incoming Nations During Elections

Nations from this region understands that we have to get more active nations to participate in our politics but it came to my attention that there is an influx of new nations on the Election Day. To solve these problem , we will lock our region with our password at least 2 days before the elections start.New nations can pre register through the forums but not officially registered till the elections are over.
Article ii Criteria to be able to vote
Malaya would be calling for a minimal criteria for nations so that they are legible to vote. This is to ensure those nations know about our region's politics before voting.New nations must be able to have 2 of these criterion before being able to vote.  The Criterion are as such :
- Must be active and engage in our discussions for 1 week .
- Shows interest in upgrading our region
- A minimum of 50 Million Population.
Article iii Investigation Team
As the council is concerned about electoral fraud. We need a special team to investigate the suspicious nations. Preferably, this team shall comprise of our older nations in this game and region. To be specific , nations that has 6 months of commitment in this region. The Investigation Team should have the rights to report any suspicious nations to the MOJ for further actions to be taken. Most trusted nations shall be picked to be part of this team. This team is obligated to investigate any nations if they want to. The Investigation Team is able to detain and temporary disable the detained nations from voting. The Investigation Team shall now be identified as IT .

I do hereby confirmed that this is a legitimate proposed legislation by Islamic State Of Malaya

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Re: SO 2017-8 Electoral Act

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sat Feb 04, 2017 6:32 pm

First, just a style issue, you should never reference your nation or your opinion in a bill. A bill should only list circumstances in its introduction, and the rest of the bill content should only list provisions of law.

Second, while I support your intentions, I cannot support the proposal as it stands as it is indubitably illegal.
The Constitution, Article I, Section C: "All Members have the ability to vote in elections."
Subsection 1: "Unless they are convicted of a crime and are currently under the punishment defined by the Judicial System."

That means that you may not revoke the right to vote based on activity or interest unless you outlaw being inactive or disinterested, which would be very, very dangerous.

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Post by Abdoa on Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:44 pm

I second the concerns of LibDem, also pointing out that I think the right of all members to vote is what makes our region stand out from others: I don't think I would have joined if I had to fill out an application form etc.

I do support the idea of the Investigative Team. Maybe we should be more specific, like appointed jointly by the Founder and MoW amongst the nations of over 1 year residency in the region?

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Post by Nassau-Windsor on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:07 pm

[Reservation for comment, as I do not have enough time to go into full details right now.]

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Re: SO 2017-8 Electoral Act

Post by Islamic State Of Malaya on Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:03 am

Libertarian Democracy wrote:First, just a style issue, you should never reference your nation or your opinion in a bill.  A bill should only list circumstances in its introduction, and the rest of the bill content should only list provisions of law.

Second, while I support your intentions, I cannot support the proposal as it stands as it is indubitably illegal.
The Constitution, Article I, Section C: "All Members have the ability to vote in elections."
Subsection 1: "Unless they are convicted of a crime and are currently under the punishment defined by the Judicial System."

That means that you may not revoke the right to vote based on activity or interest unless you outlaw being inactive or disinterested, which would be very, very dangerous.

To make things more clearer , the Investigation Team (IT) shall have the power to stop anyone from voting so that their investigation can carry on. Article I , Section C is a wonderful piece of legislation but the job of the IT has to carry on eventhough it does not follow the Constitution. If we strictly follow the constitution , every election will have frauds .I mean every constitution may contradict themselves situation by situation basis. I hope yo would understand the scope of the IT.

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Post by SiriusKnight on Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:12 am

Islamic State Of Malaya wrote:
Libertarian Democracy wrote:First, just a style issue, you should never reference your nation or your opinion in a bill.  A bill should only list circumstances in its introduction, and the rest of the bill content should only list provisions of law.

Second, while I support your intentions, I cannot support the proposal as it stands as it is indubitably illegal.
The Constitution, Article I, Section C: "All Members have the ability to vote in elections."
Subsection 1: "Unless they are convicted of a crime and are currently under the punishment defined by the Judicial System."

That means that you may not revoke the right to vote based on activity or interest unless you outlaw being inactive or disinterested, which would be very, very dangerous.

To make things more clearer , the Investigation Team (IT) shall have the power to stop anyone from voting so that their investigation can carry on. Article I , Section C is a wonderful piece of legislation but the job of the IT has to carry on eventhough it does not follow the Constitution. If we strictly follow the constitution , every election will have frauds .I mean every constitution may contradict themselves situation by situation basis. I hope yo would understand the scope of the IT.

The Investigation Team still had to bound to the Constitution, but have the rights to consider the nations (they use puppets) votes are illegal once they were proven to abuses their rights to vote for their advantages. With the exception of modifying the current constitution, Investigation Team's role and limit is still bound to it.
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Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:18 pm

Islamic State Of Malaya wrote:
Libertarian Democracy wrote:First, just a style issue, you should never reference your nation or your opinion in a bill.  A bill should only list circumstances in its introduction, and the rest of the bill content should only list provisions of law.

Second, while I support your intentions, I cannot support the proposal as it stands as it is indubitably illegal.
The Constitution, Article I, Section C: "All Members have the ability to vote in elections."
Subsection 1: "Unless they are convicted of a crime and are currently under the punishment defined by the Judicial System."

That means that you may not revoke the right to vote based on activity or interest unless you outlaw being inactive or disinterested, which would be very, very dangerous.

To make things more clearer , the Investigation Team (IT) shall have the power to stop anyone from voting so that their investigation can carry on. Article I , Section C is a wonderful piece of legislation but the job of the IT has to carry on eventhough it does not follow the Constitution. If we strictly follow the constitution , every election will have frauds .I mean every constitution may contradict themselves situation by situation basis. I hope yo would understand the scope of the IT.
I'm sorry, but did you just suggest that we allow violating the constitution?

Following the provisions set forth by the Constitution is not an option - it is a duty to follow it both in letter and spirit. You cannot possibly in good faith go forward with this bill knowing it violates our most supreme set of Laws.
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Post by Islamic State Of Malaya on Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:24 pm

I am not supporting the violation of constitution. I meant to be "special case"

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Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:33 pm

Islamic State Of Malaya wrote:I am not supporting the violation of constitution. I meant to be "special case"
So you would support setting the precedent that Parliament can violate the Constitution as much as it wants so long as the author feels it is justified?
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Post by Islamic State Of Malaya on Sun Feb 05, 2017 3:52 pm

If we are to follow the constitution , we should have a fair elections with no frauds. In the constituent also says that puppet votes are not counted if the nation is to be a puppet. The fact is that there are puppet nations in our region and they are voting in the elections. So , it is an act of precautionary so that we do not violate the constitution. In conclusion , if we do not have the investigation team going against the constitution , it means that the whole region are violating the constitution as we are "allowing" puppet nations to vote .

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Post by Thomolia on Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:04 pm

I support the proposal, together with its writer, Malaya. It can pass to the Voting Chamber.

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Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:10 pm

1) No, Malaya, the Constitution does not address the issue of voter fraud. Please, if you can find any clause in the Constitution that even uses the word "puppet", please cite it.

2) Thomolia, I do highly suggest that you read SO#2016-3 ("Parliamentary Procedure Orders"). A bill must first go to the debate hall before the voting chamber. And it is the Prime Minister

3) I shall stand against this bill in both debate and in the voting chamber. I get it Malaya, you want to improve the region and re-validate our elections. I would be glad to work with you to fix this bill to make it legal. If you care at all about the rule of Law or the validity of the Constitution, you will withdraw this bill immediately and TG me.

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Post by Thomolia on Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:25 pm

Sorry Libertarian Democracy,
So let's move it to the Debate Hall

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Post by SiriusKnight on Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:24 pm

Islamic State Of Malaya wrote:If we are to follow the constitution , we should have a fair elections with no frauds. In the constituent also says that puppet votes are not counted if the nation is to be a puppet. The fact is that there are puppet nations in our region and they are voting in the elections. So , it is an act of precautionary so that we do not violate the constitution. In conclusion , if we do not have the investigation team going against the constitution , it means that the whole region are violating the constitution as we are "allowing" puppet nations to vote .

In that case we need to list down on which nations puppet nations to another.
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Post by Abdoa on Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:26 pm

Islamic State Of Malaya wrote:If we are to follow the constitution , we should have a fair elections with no frauds. In the constituent also says that puppet votes are not counted if the nation is to be a puppet. The fact is that there are puppet nations in our region and they are voting in the elections. So , it is an act of precautionary so that we do not violate the constitution. In conclusion , if we do not have the investigation team going against the constitution , it means that the whole region are violating the constitution as we are "allowing" puppet nations to vote .

There is nothing in the Constitution that prohibits using puppets to vote. It's SO 2016-6 Electoral Integrity Act which prohibits using puppets to vote. There is no evidence supporting the idea that we are violating the constitution by "allowing" puppets to vote. The person who uses puppets to vote is the only entity that is violating anything, and that is statutory law.

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Post by Abdoa on Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:30 pm

SiriusKnight wrote:
Islamic State Of Malaya wrote:If we are to follow the constitution , we should have a fair elections with no frauds. In the constituent also says that puppet votes are not counted if the nation is to be a puppet. The fact is that there are puppet nations in our region and they are voting in the elections. So , it is an act of precautionary so that we do not violate the constitution. In conclusion , if we do not have the investigation team going against the constitution , it means that the whole region are violating the constitution as we are "allowing" puppet nations to vote .

In that case we need to list down on which nations puppet nations to another.

This sounds like a good idea, but it comes down to making nations register to vote. The fact that a nation can come to our region and become a citizen without having to fill out forms on the off site forum is one of the central tenets of our democracy: it is the reason we exist today. Also, the only way to find out which nations are puppets of others is by comparing IP addresses on this forum, which should be kept for extreme situations, and be strictly codified, as in SO 2016-6, where a warrant is needed for the MoJ to be able to access IP addresses for a court case.

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Post by SiriusKnight on Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:12 am

Abdoa wrote:
SiriusKnight wrote:
Islamic State Of Malaya wrote:If we are to follow the constitution , we should have a fair elections with no frauds. In the constituent also says that puppet votes are not counted if the nation is to be a puppet. The fact is that there are puppet nations in our region and they are voting in the elections. So , it is an act of precautionary so that we do not violate the constitution. In conclusion , if we do not have the investigation team going against the constitution , it means that the whole region are violating the constitution as we are "allowing" puppet nations to vote .

In that case we need to list down on which nations puppet nations to another.

This sounds like a good idea, but it comes down to making nations register to vote. The fact that a nation can come to our region and become a citizen without having to fill out forms on the off site forum is one of the central tenets of our democracy: it is the reason we exist today. Also, the only way to find out which nations are puppets of others is by comparing IP addresses on this forum, which should be kept for extreme situations, and be strictly codified, as in SO 2016-6, where a warrant is needed for the MoJ to be able to access IP addresses for a court case.

Ya, but a list of puppet nations at least allows us to know which nations are the main one, and it does not require main nations to register to vote. Its just a list for identification.
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Post by Abdoa on Mon Feb 06, 2017 12:17 am

But the problem lies in compiling that list: we cannot do so accurately without checking IP addresses. A list based on disclosures is useless, because entities using puppets for electoral fraud will never disclose those puppets.

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Post by Abdoa on Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:23 am

Moved to the debate hall.

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