SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

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SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Nassau-Windsor on Sat Apr 15, 2017 6:59 pm

An Act to regulate provisions for legislation during several occasions.

WHEREAS it has happened before that there is a question regarding to the legislative process during a vacancy or change in position(s) in those offices and positions involved with legislation;

WHEREAS there are yet to be set provisions to determine such occasions properly;

BE IT ENACTED by Us, by and with the advice and consent of Parliament, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-


Article 1
When at any moment Parliament is to be dissolved, yet one or more legislative documents have not been forwarded to the President for his Assent or Veto, and Parliament did already (partially) vote on the said document, the following is to happen:

  1. When necessary, the vote shall be continued and the Members of Parliament that is to be dissolved, may continue to vote until a proper vote has been taken for the term of any such document required.
  2. The Speaker, or if Parliament has already been dissolved, the former Speaker of that Session of Parliament, shall immediately forward the said document, when approved by Parliament in the Voting Chamber, to the President for his Assent or Veto.


Article 2
When at any moment Parliament is to be dissolved, yet one or more legislative documents already in Parliament have not reached the Voting Chamber yet, the said document(s) shall continue to follow proper procedures during the next Session of Parliament.

Article 3
When at any moment the Office of President is vacant, legislative documents passed to that Office by Parliament shall continue to rest at the President’s Desk for the next President’s Assent or Veto.

Article 4
This Act may be cited as “[The] Keep Calm and Carry On Act 2017”.

Saturday 15 April 2017
The Hon. Nassau-Windosr, MP LSM
The Hon. Abdoa, MP GSM LSM


Last edited by Nassau-Windsor on Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:46 pm; edited 1 time in total (Reason for editing : Co-sponsor added.)

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Re: SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Abdoa on Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:29 pm

I happily co-sponsor this bill: it is one of those small but essential pieces of legislative procedure that make chairing this parliament so fun for me. However, could the Hon. author please clarify for the record as to why these provisions are not presented as an amendment to the Parliamentary Procedure Orders?

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Re: SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Nassau-Windsor on Sat Apr 15, 2017 7:45 pm

Abdoa wrote:I happily co-sponsor this bill: it is one of those small but essential pieces of legislative procedure that make chairing this parliament so fun for me. However, could the Hon. author please clarify for the record as to why these provisions are not presented as an amendment to the Parliamentary Procedure Orders?

I am keen to hear that my Honourable friend [Abdoa] will co-sponsor this important Bill. With regards to his question, I can tell him that I choose to do so for my own convenience. I prefer to write new Bills rather than Draft Amendments as they are slightly easier to write, and less time consuming to write as well.

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Re: SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Abdoa on Sat Apr 15, 2017 8:00 pm

Sounds reasonable. It also doesn't have to do exclusively with parliamentary procedure, so I do actually think the bill is better off stand-alone. Thank you!

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Post by Thomolia on Sat Apr 15, 2017 10:02 pm

I co-sponsor this bill.

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Post by Sepharich on Sun Apr 16, 2017 2:45 am

I would also like to co-sponsor this bill. It seems like it would make election processes much easier overall.
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Re: SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:27 am

I would like to co-sponsor this bill as well, however I disagree with the author and the Hon. Abdoa, and I contend that this bill should properly amend the Parliamentary Procedure Orders.

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Re: SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Abdoa on Sun Apr 16, 2017 10:25 am

I could support it either way. Maybe add a provision at some point at the end of the articles dealing with actual procedure saying that if a step is unfinished when a parliament is supposed to be dissolved, an exception must be made as respects to the particulars so as to finish the step? And then say that each parliament starts with unfinished business; maybe add an article about the order we deal with business: unfinished business, then amendments to the orders, then new business.

But Article 3 of this proposal is in no way compatible with the Parliamentary Procedure Orders so I propose that we have this bill as a compound bill: one part dealing with amendments to the PPOs, and another containing the current article 3.

What do my Hon. friends [Nassau-Windsor and Libertarian Democracy] think?

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Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sun Apr 16, 2017 4:37 pm

I temporarily withdraw my co-sponsorship to allow for discussion.

I must ask, is Article 3 even necessary? Even if there is no President, the President's Desk still exists. I think a better way to go about this would be to amend SO#2016-3 ("Parliamentary Procedure Orders"), Article II, Clause G to specify the President's desk.

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Re: SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Abdoa on Sun Apr 16, 2017 5:20 pm

I would be perfectly fine with that approach for Article 3.

So... the amendments we would make to the PPOs would be as follows, right?
-amend Articles II and IV to add a further point in each saying that if any of steps C, F, H or K in Article II plus steps B and F in Article IV have been commenced, and are not over when Parliament is dissolved, they must exceptionally continue until they were sent to end, but that after that, no further steps may be taken until a new Parliament is convened.
-add an article between current articles I and II giving the order of precedence for business in a session of Parliament, after it is convened: first elect a Spt, then unfinished business, then amendments to this Act, and finally new business.
-amend points g and l of current article II to say "President's desk" instead of "President".

I can write the actual text of those amendments later tonight, if you want me to: it won't take me too long, as I know the PPOs like the back of my hand - I did write them... Smile

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Re: SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Abdoa on Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:29 pm

Here are a set of proposed amendments to SO 2016-03 that would do basically the same thing as the Act before us now:

Amendments to SO 2016-03

Article 1
To insert the following clause at the end of Article II:
“If when Parliament is dissolved, any bill has commenced steps d), f), h), i), or k), then that step must continue until completed, but after it has been completed, no further action may be taken on the bill in question until a new Parliament is convened.”

Article 2
To insert the following clause at the end of Article IV:
“If when Parliament is dissolved, any constitutional amendment has commenced steps c), d), or f), then that step must continue until completed, but after it has been completed, no further action may be taken on the bill in question until a new Parliament is convened.”

Article 3
To insert the following article after Article I and to renumber the following articles:
“The following order of business shall be followed during each session of Parliament, from the moment of convening:
Election of a Speaker pro tempore as per SO#2017-16 (“Speaker pro tempore of Parliament Act 2017”).
Unfinished business held over from the previous session of Parliament at dissolution.
Amendments to these Orders proposed in the previous session of Parliament.
New business: bills or constitutional amendments proposed during the ongoing session of Parliament.”

Article 4
To amend points g) and l) of Article II to replace the word “President” in each with the words “President’s Desk”.

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Re: SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Abdoa on Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:57 pm

Although this bill is next in line for debate, the chair uses article vi of the procedure orders to postpone such event until a same version of the bill has been agreed upon, because if this bill becomes an amendment to the PPOs, then it can't be dealt with until the beginning of the next session.

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Re: SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Abdoa on Sun Apr 23, 2017 9:10 am

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Re: SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sun Apr 23, 2017 6:15 pm

First, I'd like to co-sponsor this proposal.

Second, I'd like to point out to the Honourable Speaker that the he is indeed the reason that this proposal has not advanced to debate, and he should not complain to the rest of the Senators to move it forward. The Speaker has invoked the Undefined Procedures in a case where the procedure is clearly defined. The proposal has the necessary co-sponsors to advance to debate. If the Speaker would like to amend this Act, in the drafting table the author is under no requirement to adopt those amendments, and this can be overruled by the Senators if these amendments are proposed in the Debate Hall.

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Re: SO 2017-24 Keep Calm and Carry On Act

Post by Abdoa on Sun Apr 23, 2017 10:28 pm

The Chair has indeed invoked Undefined Procedures mainly to give the Hon Author the opportunity to comment on the proposed fundamental changes to the bill. The Undefined Procedure here is (and yes, they're really just excuses to get to the end explained above) that there is no procedure for when a bill would clearly modify parliamentary procedure without having to reach the 6 vote threshold for amending the procedure orders as per article vii of those orders, thereby setting precedent for bypassing those orders. Is such a bill even admissible, given that once it is at the debate stage there is no guarantee it will not become law?
However, since a while has passed since article vi has been invoked without any response, and the Parliament is clearly in favor of moving to a debate, such will be the case.

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