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Post by Bostlerr on Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:23 pm

1. Any nation can create a political party
2. Any nation can Join or leave a political party
3.Political parties must have Ideologies
4. Political parties will have a President and Vice-President
More can be added.


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Post by Abdoa on Thu Aug 11, 2016 6:38 am

Its a good idea!

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Post by Libertarian Democracy on Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:26 pm

As much as I hate them, 'tis a good idea.

Also, @Nassau, this is what the Citizen's Forum is supposed to be for lol

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Re: Political Parties

Post by Abdoa on Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:11 pm

Libertarian Democracy wrote:
Also, @Nassau, this is what the Citizen's Forum is supposed to be for lol

Agreed.

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Re: Political Parties

Post by Nassau-Windsor on Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:44 am

First of all, I moved the topic back to the Citizens' forum (but you know that already otherwise you could not reach this page...).

As for the idea, I like it a lot and I see forward to have parties in the future. However, at the moment I am against this proposal because of the mere opinion that we have not enough (active) members to keep this going.

I also see a problem that might occur in the future: do we grant Seats of Parliament to individuals or to parties? And what about independent members, do they have to create their own party nontheless? These should need to adressed before a Bill is proposed...

Again, I quite like the idea and I think it is very interesting, but I also think it is unpractical as of now.


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Re: Political Parties

Post by Abdoa on Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:39 am

I think I would tend to agree with Nassau. I propose that, since I am basically a voting systems fanatic, that I write the bill when we decide the moment is opportune.

I would think that we would award seats to parties according to the D'Hondt method (see wikipedia) with party lists, with independents being counted as individual parties, though they would only be able to take one seat. Another, perhaps fairer option, would be to list them separately on the ballot paper, but total them together as one party list for the seat allocation. Those with the highest numbers of personal votes would take precedence in list order.

Another related idea would be to still list each candidate separately, but do the same system within their party. This is the fairest system, I think, where the voters decide who gets the seats.

We could also use the Sainte-Lague method (again, wikipedia is your friend!), which slightly favours small parties and independents where the D'Hondt method favours large parties.

If I need to explain more, please ask!

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Re: Political Parties

Post by Abdoa on Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:44 am

Also, footnote, I think that the political parties should not be directly created and regulated by the government, as in RL: the citizens and candidates should organise them. As a corollary, I also think that there is nothing currently preventing the creation of political parties right now, but as there is nothing in law about them, the elections would continue to work in the same way as before (as soon as we have enough candidates for an actual election!).

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Re: Political Parties

Post by Hashkin on Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:23 pm

I call dibs on the Demokratinen Party

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Re: Political Parties

Post by Nassau-Windsor on Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:40 am

Libertarian Democracy wrote:I don't think this proposal requires a bill.  Are political parties currently illegal?  No.  Therefore, the citizens are free to create their own political parties.

Oh yes, and I hereby trademark the Libertarian Party xD.

I think you are partially right on this, but Section D, Article 1 of the Constitution sais that "All Members have the right to run for Union offices". This implies that only nations residing in the Region can hold an office (and thus, only persons, not parties can do so). Though, the Constitution might be considered to be unclear, as it does not define who is a "Member".

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Re: Political Parties

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:16 pm

Nassau-Windsor wrote:
Libertarian Democracy wrote:I don't think this proposal requires a bill.  Are political parties currently illegal?  No.  Therefore, the citizens are free to create their own political parties.

Oh yes, and I hereby trademark the Libertarian Party xD.

I think you are partially right on this, but Section D, Article 1 of the Constitution sais that "All Members have the right to run for Union offices". This implies that only nations residing in the Region can hold an office (and thus, only persons, not parties can do so). Though, the Constitution might be considered to be unclear, as it does not define who is a "Member".
But that's not how parties would work, I think.  A person would run for office as a Libertarian or Demokratinenenenen, and it would serve as an affiliation and not ownership.  If a party requires a primary system, it will simply have to disown someone if they don't comply.  The people who are not nominated by their party are free to run, just not under the party banner, which would imply endorsement.  Although I think it would be more likely that a party would nominate as many people as possible so there could be 6 Libertarians and 5 Demokratinenenenenes fighting over the 9 Parliament seats.

In other words, it's the person running for the seat; not the party. The party serves only for affiliation and endorsement in an election.
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