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Post by Abdoa on Sat Sep 09, 2017 10:54 pm

This thread is dedicated to the Extraordinary Constitutional Convention of 2017, established by SO#2017-63 ("Motion to Convene an Extraordinary Constitutional Convention"), constituted as a Commission of Parliament. The Rt. Hon. Minister of Jurisprudence Libertarian Democracy, MP LSM GSM will chair the said Commission.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:54 am

As the Parliament of the Union has prescribed, I, as the Minister of Jurisprudence of the Union, do hereby convene this Extraordinary Constitutional Convention.

I do hereby summon the following Delegates to this thread.  Please post to confirm attendance.


  • ECC Chair, The Right Honourable Libertarian Democracy, MP LSM GSM
  • Nonvoting Delegate The Honourable Founder Nassau-Windsor, MP LSM
  • Cabinet Delegate The Right Honourable Minister without Portfolio Thomolia, MP
  • Cabinet Delegate The Right Honourable Minister of Development Hashkin, MP LSM
  • Parliament Delegate The Right Honourable Prime Minister Abdoa, MP LSM GSM
  • Parliament Delegate The Right Honourable President Lhistonia, MP
  • Parliament Delegate The Honourable Aralunya, MP
  • Citizen's Delegate Islamic State of Malaya
  • Citizen's Delegate The Honourable Saint Artica and the Nordic Kingdoms, MP
  • Citizen's Delegate (vacant)

Please note that this list was forwarded to me by the Prime Minister and any inquiries regarding the election of Delegates should be directed to them.

Our Purpose: We are to propose and debate any and all Constitutional Amendments we create, and send the best ones to Parliament.

PHASE I:
PHASE I: Proposals - September 9th to 13th
Please post all your proposals for Constitutional Amendments here.  It is perfectly acceptable for multiple amendments to cover the same topic, and there is no limit as to what you can propose.  However, I do ask that you don't post the entire text of the proposal, and either use spoiler tags, provide a link to a dispatch containing the text, or provide a link to a publicly-accessible google doc with the text.  Each proposal will be assigned a color so we can debate multiple at once without getting confused.  Please, however, refrain from discussing the proposals until after the proposal period.

PHASE II:
PHASE II: Debate - September 14th to at least September 30th (current)
All proposals shall be debated, and some may be split, merged, withdrawn, or amended.  We will follow a procedure similar to Parliament's.

PHASE III: Voting - End of Phase II to 5 Days Later
All proposals will go to vote simultaneously.  A ballot template will be provided to keep things organized.  Amendments will pass by a simple majority of those who vote.

PHASE IV:
PHASE IV: Conclusion - Immediately Following Phase III
All the proposals that pass will be forwarded to the Speaker of Parliament where they will follow the normal process for handling amendments.


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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Abdoa on Sun Sep 10, 2017 7:30 am

I would like to confirm that the previously proposed Constitutional Amendments are automatically going to be debated here, so that we don't have to re-propose them:
SO#2015-11
SO#2016-09
SO#2016-12
SO#2017-21
SO#2017-64

Also, when the Parliamentary Committees for the 12th Parliament are constituted, they will have to review each proposal and how it will affect their area of expertise.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by CR Lhistonia on Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:30 pm

Sorry, but I didn't quite get the writing of drafts yet, so forgive me for it's simplicity, but here it is

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19JQcjUflsvJKmmPPh-vFtOAKNsajuWXpXkKrNR0qVR8/edit?usp=sharing
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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:15 am

Submissions are now closed.  No further amendments may be tabled without my permission, which will only be granted in the case of especial circumstances and will be determined on a case-by-case basis.  Send me a TG if this is your situation.

We now move on to Phase II, the debate stage.  We are required by law to debate one proposal at a time, however, if we were to meet the Parliamentary Committees deadline, we would have only two days for each proposal.  So, the solution is, get as many proposals done with 5-day debate periods as possible, and we'll just have to send some undiscussed versions of amendments to the Committees.

The schedule is as follows:
September 14th to 18th - SO#2015-07 Debate Suspended 9/16
September 16th to 20th - SO#2015-11 Debate Time Expired
September 21st to 25th - SO#2016-09 Debate Time Expired
--Sept 24: drafts sent to Committee Chairs-- Offices Vacant.  Postponed.
September 26th to September 30th - SO#2017-21 Debate Time Expired
October 1st to 5th - SO#2016-12 Debate Time Expired
October 7th to 11th - SO#2017-64 Debate Suspended 10/8
October 8th to 12th - Parliament Delegate Lhistonia's proposal Debate Time Expired
--- October 13th to October 31st  - ECC Suspended ---
November 1st to 5th - Rules Committee Report Debate Time Expired
November 6th to 10th - Development Committee Report Debate Time Expired
November 12th to 16th - Management Committee Report
November 17th to 21st - Voting on any amendments to the proposals

This is how debate will work:  I will post the full text of the proposal, and discussion in this thread will be limited to discussion of that proposal until time has expired.  At any time during debate, Delegates may propose an amendment to the proposal, which shall be voted on after all items are debated.  I know the schedule is rough, but we are under very tight constraints here.

Debate may be suspended if a Motion to Suspend Debate is tabled and backed by four Delegates, including the Delegate that tabled it.


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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:20 am

First item of debate:

SO#2015-07 ("Deputy Prime Minister Act")
Initial Proposal: Nov. 15, 2015; Senator Abdoa, First Parliament
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WHEREAS: the activities of this Parliament should not be interrupted by the absence of its chair;

WHEREAS: currently there is no provision for the continuance of the activities of this Parliament during the absence of its chair, the Prime Minister;

WHEREAS: this Bill allows the activities of this Parliament to proceed as normal during an absence, whether planned or unplanned, of the Prime Minister, be it therefore

ORDERED: that the following clause shall be inserted into the Constitution of this Union as part of Article 3, Section D, Subsection 3:

"Clause a: in the event that the Prime Minister is absent for more than two days, the Senator with the most votes at the last regional election is charged with calling a vote in Parliament to choose a Deputy Prime Minister from among the incumbent Senators of this Union."

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:26 am

I stand against this proposal. We already have a Speaker pro Tempore under existing legislation (SO#2017-16), and I don't think that we should be taking Acts of Parliament and transcribing them to the Constitution. Not every Parliamentary procedure need be codified in the Constitution.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Abdoa on Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:37 am

I also am firmly opposed to this proposal, which I authored almost two years ago - mainly because since then we have elaborated much more detailed and precise provisions for the eventuality described in the proposal through ordinary legislative means.

Therefore, I suggest that the debate on this item be abbreviated by a day or two, so that we have more time to debate more interesting or controversial subjects. In addition, could SO#2016-12 and SO#2017-64 be debated together, due to their close similarity? It seems more appropriate to have one longer debate on both items, rather than two shorter periods separated from each other.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:53 am

I have adjusted the schedule to group together the two Administrative Branch amendments as per the Parliamentary Delegate's request, however I am not yet willing to end debate early. I would require four of the Delegates in total to agree to suspend debate. The theory being to allow the majority of those in attendance to express their viewpoints.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Aralunya on Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:55 pm

I agree with my fellow delegates. The need for the amendment currently under debate is no longer there.
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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:40 pm

Well, Abdoa has proposed to suspend debate, and I second that. Two more backers needed to suspend debate and move on to the next item.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Aralunya on Sat Sep 16, 2017 8:53 am

I will also back the motion to suspend debate on SO#2015-07
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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Thomolia on Sat Sep 16, 2017 6:20 pm

I second the motion to suspend debate, too.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:38 pm

Debate on SO#2015-07 is hereby suspended.  We will now begin debate on the next item.

SO#2015-11 ("Reducing Constitutional Ambiguity")
Initial Proposal: Nov. 15, 2015; Senator Libertarian Democracy, First Parliament
TEXT:
ARTICLE I: Preface

In an effort to reduce ambiguity within the provisions of the Constitution of the Union, we, the Parliament of the Union,  hereby enact the provisions of this document as a Constitutional Amendment.


ARTICLE II: Amendments to Article I of the Constitution of the Union

Section A: Amend “Article I, Section B, Subsection 2”

We move to amend Article I, Section B, Subsection 2 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“A Member’s posts on the RMB may be suppressed by the Founder or Prime Minister, accompanied by a warning, if they are deemed derogatory, at the aforementioned officials discretion.  The Judicial System may order the suppression of one or more posts at its discretion”

Section B: Amend “Article I, Section C, Subsection 1”

We move to amend Article I, Section C, Subsection 2 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The Judicial System may revoke the right to vote in elections, either temporarily or permanently, but only as part of a punishment for a nation convicted of a crime”

Section C: Add “Article I, Section D, Subsection 1”

We move to add the following to the Constitution as Article I, Section D, Subsection 1:
“Any nation that CTEs during their term as a member of Parliament or the Government shall automatically lose their position”

Section D: Add 'Article I, Section D, Subsection 2'

We move to add the following to the Constitution as Article I, Section D, Subsection 2:
"No member may create a puppet nation so they can have two concurrent Government or Senator positions in the Union. Upon first offense, the member, and all puppets thereof, will lose their government position if already a member of the government or Parliament, and be permanently barred from being elected or appointed to Government or Parliamentary positions. Upon the second offense, the member and all residing puppets thereof shall be permanently banned from the Union."

ARTICLE III: Amendments to Article II of the Constitution of the Union

Section A: Amend “Article II, Section H”

We move to amend Article II, Section H of the Constitution the contain the new text:
“Parliament may not pass a law that targets or restricts the freedom of any one resident, or one that removes or orders the removal of a resident from the region”

ARTICLE IV: Amendments to Article III of the Constitution of the Union

Section A: Amend “Article III, Section A”

We move to amend Article III, Section A of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The Executive Branch of the Parliamentary Union of Sovereign States shall consist of the Founder, President, Prime Minister, and Cabinet, and shall also be known as the Government”

Section B: Amend “Article III, Section B, Subsection 1”

We move to amend Article III, Section B, Subsection 1 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“However, he will maintain minimal interference in the Government and Parliament, will obey the decisions of the Parliament, and will  respect the actions and decisions of the other Executive Officials and the Judicial System”

Section C: Amend “Article III, Section B, Subsection 2”

We move to amend Article III, Section B, Subsection 2 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The Founder will control the elections via Regional Polls, and shall call emergency elections upon the resignation, impeachment, removal, or CTE of an elected official.

Section D: Amend “Article III, Section B, Subsection 3”

We move to amend Article III, Section B, Subsection 3 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The Founder, at his discretion, has the authority to lock the Region by placing a password on the region if a threat is perceived.  The password may be visible or invisible to the members of the union, at the Founder’s discretion”

Section E: Amend “Article III, Section B, Subsection 5”

We move to amend Article III, Section B, Subsection 5 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The Founder has the right to alter the Regional Flag and the WFE, however, may be ordered by Parliament to set a certain flag to remain for a period of six weeks”

Section F: Amend “Article III, Section C, Subsection 3”

We move to amend Article III, Section C, Subsection 3 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The President can veto or sign acts of Parliament”


Section G: Amend “Article III, Section C, Subsection 7”

We move to amend Article III, Section C, Subsection 7 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The President may appoint Ambassadors to allied regions whose Founder, WA Delegate, or Regional Officers request one”

Section H: Add “Article III, Section C, Subsection 8”

We move to add the following to the Constitution as Article III, Section C, Subsection 8:
“The President may only appoint Members of the Union.  The President may only appoint a Member if the Member in question agrees to uphold the duties and responsibilities of the position the Member is to be appointed to”

Section J: Amend “Article III, Section E, Subsection 2”

We move to amend Article III, Section E, Subsection 2 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“Cabinet Members may not hold any other position in the Executive Branch”

ARTICLE V: Conclusion

We, the Parliament of the Union, enact this document and its provisions as an Amendment to the Constitution of the Union, and order the Founder to update the Constitution exactly as mandated by the provisions of this document, and in a timely manner.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:47 pm

I stand in favor of the proposal. I believe that by further clarifying the existing provisions of the Constitution, we will, in turn, strengthen it.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Abdoa on Sun Sep 17, 2017 2:41 am

I stand in favor of this proposal at large, but I have a couple points to make:
1- I think that Article IV Section C is superfluous and awkward now that we have more specific provisions for holding by-elections. Making it the Constitutional obligation of the Founder to call by-elections as soon as a position is vacant a) is too specific, and b) would disrupt the provisions for these eventualities that we have elaborated in much more detail in the laws on the subject.
2- Article II Section D seems again too specific. The first sentence suffices.
3- I don't think Article IV Section H is very clear in its meaning, or very useful as a clause. The Constitution only applies to members of the Union anyways.

Otherwise, I think that this proposal is one that is long overdue.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Aralunya on Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:28 am

I, too, agree with the Proposed Amendment and with the recommendations from fellow delegate, Abdoa.

I also must say that the word "States" in Article IV, Section A needs to be replaced with "Nation" otherwise the changes made by that amendment wouldn't have any effect on our Government.
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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Mon Sep 18, 2017 3:34 am

I remind the Honourable Delegates that they can propose to amend this proposal. Voting on any tabled amendments is currently scheduled for October 16th. Also, please note, that the authors of these proposals may not edit the proposals now that they have been submitted to this Commission, and any edits must be done through an official amendment.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Abdoa on Mon Sep 18, 2017 5:28 am

I was hoping to have further input from various other members of the ECC before formally moving to amend the proposal.

In any case, it'll do no harm to draft such amendments; I therefore move the following:

Amendment I, Abdoa-
To strike Section C of Article IV from the proposal currently at debate (Item 2: SO#2015-11).

Amendment II, Abdoa-
To strike the following text from Section D of Article II of the proposal currently at debate (Item 2: SO#2015-11):
"Upon first offense, the member, and all puppets thereof, will lose their government position if already a member of the government or Parliament, and be permanently barred from being elected or appointed to Government or Parliamentary positions. Upon the second offense, the member and all residing puppets thereof shall be permanently banned from the Union."

Amendment III, Abdoa-
To amend Section H of Article IV of the proposal currently at debate (Item 2: SO#2015-11) to read as follows:
"We move to add the following to the Constitution as Article III, Section C, Subsection 7, Clause a:
“The President may only appoint Members of the Union to the aforesaid position. The President may only appoint such a Member if the Member in question agrees to uphold the duties and responsibilities of the position the Member is to be appointed to”".

Amendment IV, Abdoa-
To replace the word "States" in Section A of Article IV of the proposal currently at debate (Item 2: SO#2015-11) with the word "Nations".

Amendment V, Abdoa-
To add the following text as Article V of of the proposal currently at debate (Item 2: SO#2015-11) while renumbering the existing Article V as Article VI:
"Article V: Amendments to Article IV of the Constitution of the Union

Section A: Renumbering
To replace the designations of the current Sections 1, 2, and 3 of Article VI of the Constitution with the designations of Sections A, B and C of the aforesaid Article."

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:07 am

Debate time for SO#2015-11 has expired.  We will now begin debate on the next item.

SO#2016-09 ("Ending Limitations on Debate Numbers")
Initial Proposal: May 10, 2016; Senator Nassau-Windsor, Fourth Parliament
TEXT:
An Act to make an end to a specific, limited, number of Bills that can be reviewed or debated at the same time.

WHEREAS Our Constitution has regulated that Parliament can only review one Bill at any time;

WHEREAS We believe that Parliament has the ability to regulate their orders and procedures themselves;

WHEREAS We think that the quality of the debate on Bills is not influenced by the quantity of Bills being debated;

BELIEVING that by restricting Parliament to debate only a specific, limited, number of Bills at any time, the Executive Branch of government might influence the proceedings of the Legislative Branch;

FURTHER BELIEVING that by restricting Parliament to debate only a specific, limited, limited number of Bills at any time, the legislative process of Our Region slows down unnecessary;

GIVEN that at the moment of writing this Bill, the limited number of Bills that can be debated at any specific time is one (1) Bill;

BE IT ENACTED by the Minister of Development, by and with the advice and consent of Parliament and the Cabinet, in this present assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows:-

Article 1
Section I of Article II from Our Constitution shall hereby be repealed.

Article 2
There will be added a new Section to Article II from Our Constitution that shall read as follows:-

"Parliament shall have the right to debate Bills at any time from the moment they are brought to the Debate Hall. There shall be no restrictions on the total number of Bills debated at any same time."

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:10 am

I am on the fence about this proposal. I don't really take issue with the debate of one item at a time, but I do stand against an unlimited amount of proposals at debate. I am interested to hear the perspectives of my fellow Delegates.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Abdoa on Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:59 am

As I have previously expressed, I am definitively against this proposal: in my experience as Chair of the Parliament, this requirement is both easily surpassable by an active Parliament (via Motion to Pass to a Vote) and essential to avoid confusion and clutter: it means that all senators have ample opportunity to debate each item without having to prioritize due to time constraints.

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Post by Aralunya on Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:30 am

I agree with both of you and find this proposal unnecessary. I have seen Parliament be very productive even with this Constitutional Limit.
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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:09 pm

Debate time for SO#2016-09 has expired.  We will now begin debate on the next item.

SO#2017-21 ("Joint Appointment of the Minister of Jurisprudence Act")
Initial Proposal: April 6, 2017; Senator Abdoa, Ninth Parliament
TEXT:
Article I: Introduction
Noting the many increased authority of the Minister and Ministry of Jurisprudence over matters relating the security and wellbeing of the Union and Constitution, and wishing to prevent the undue abuse of that authority, we, the Parliament of the Union, move to guard the Ministry of Jurisprudence from such exposure to malfeasance.

Article II: Amendments
The following text shall be appended as a point to Article III, Section E, Subsection 3, Clause b of the Constitution:
“Point i: The Founder shall have the authority to dismiss the Minister of Jurisprudence if the holder of that position has shown a considerable lack of understanding or application in the exercise of his functions.”

Article III: Conclusion
We, the Parliament and People of the Union, enact the provisions of this Act into law as an Amendment to the Constitution of the Union, and order that the appropriate changes to official documents referenced in this Act be carried out in a timely fashion.

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Re: Extraordinary Constitutional Convention 2017

Post by Libertarian Democracy on Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:12 pm

I stand against this proposal. I do not think the Founder should have the authority to dismiss Cabinet members. The Prime Minister is perfectly competent in that respect.

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