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Post by Abdoa Tue Oct 03, 2017 4:34 am

"The Rules Committee will hereby be responsible for analyzing the application and practicality of the Parliamentary Procedure Orders defined in SO#2016-3 (“Parliamentary Procedure Orders”) and proposing Acts of Parliament (if deemed necessary by the committee) to amend the aforementioned Act to be debated and voted on by the Parliament at the beginning of the following term of Parliament" (SO 2017-11.IV.C.1).


The following members are hereby appointed to the Rules Committee for the duration of the 12th Parliament until it is dissolved on October 31, 2017:
-The Rt. Hon. Prime Minister Abdoa, MP LSM GSM, Committee Chair
-The Rt. Hon. Minister without Portfolio Thomolia, MP
-The Hon. Nassau-Windsor, MP
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Post by Abdoa Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:57 am

As committee chair, I do hereby open the Rules Committee's Review Hearings on the potential impact of the various constitutional amendments debated in the Extraordinary Constitutional Convention of 2017 (ECC) on the administrative functioning of Parliament and the general coherency with existing laws.

The schedule will be as follows:

October 14-16: consideration of SO#2015-07
October 16-18: consideration of SO#2015-11 and amendments thereto
October 18-20: consideration of SO#2016-09
October 20-22: consideration of SO#2017-21
October 22-24: consideration of SO#2016-12 and amendments thereto
October 24-26: consideration of SO#2017-64
October 26-28: consideration of the Vice-President Amendment
October 28-30: general vote on the Chair's proposed Impact Reports for each of the proposed Constitutional Amendments and the amendments thereto, which will take into account the points made by committee members during debate.


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Post by Abdoa Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:58 am

First item of debate:
text:

Debate time: October 14-16, 2017
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Post by Abdoa Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:02 am

I think that this proposal would both create confusion and possibly a constitutional crisis in the event that a Prime Minister delegates his authority to the Act of Parliament-created position of Speaker pro tempore of Parliament - which this proposal would not technically eliminate - and then goes inactive for more than two days. A Deputy Prime Minister would then have to be elected, but would have no powers to do anything.
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Post by Nassau-Windsor Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:02 am

Fellow Hon. and Rt. Hon. Committee Members,

I agree with my Rt. Hon. friend [Abdoa] that this is a proposal we should not pass. Not only do we already have provisions through the regulation of the Speaker pro tempore of Parliament, but I can also see another problem with this proposal:

The Member with the most votes would become the acting Chair. However, our electoral system cannot let this function properly, for we have two distinct types of membership. The first is an individual membership, in which case, the proposal would work fine. Yet the second is a grouped membership. The members elected through this mean do not receive individual votes. And whereas it is now obvious that for most of our elections in the past, grouped candidates received more votes than individual candidates, this is a problem.
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Post by Abdoa Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:11 am

I thank the Rt. Hon. Nassau-Windsor for pointing this out. However, I think that it could reasonably be interpreted in the case that an Electoral List receives the most votes at a parliamentary election, the highest ranking nation elected on that list would become acting Chair.
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Post by Abdoa Tue Oct 17, 2017 6:44 am

Second item of debate:
Code:
ARTICLE I: Preface

In an effort to reduce ambiguity within the provisions of the Constitution of the Union, we, the Parliament of the Union,  hereby enact the provisions of this document as a Constitutional Amendment.


ARTICLE II: Amendments to Article I of the Constitution of the Union

Section A: Amend “Article I, Section B, Subsection 2”

We move to amend Article I, Section B, Subsection 2 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“A Member’s posts on the RMB may be suppressed by the Founder or Prime Minister, accompanied by a warning, if they are deemed derogatory, at the aforementioned officials discretion.  The Judicial System may order the suppression of one or more posts at its discretion”

Section B: Amend “Article I, Section C, Subsection 1”

We move to amend Article I, Section C, Subsection 2 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The Judicial System may revoke the right to vote in elections, either temporarily or permanently, but only as part of a punishment for a nation convicted of a crime”

Section C: Add “Article I, Section D, Subsection 1”

We move to add the following to the Constitution as Article I, Section D, Subsection 1:
“Any nation that CTEs during their term as a member of Parliament or the Government shall automatically lose their position”

Section D: Add 'Article I, Section D, Subsection 2'

We move to add the following to the Constitution as Article I, Section D, Subsection 2:
"No member may create a puppet nation so they can have two concurrent Government or Senator positions in the Union. Upon first offense, the member, and all puppets thereof, will lose their government position if already a member of the government or Parliament, and be permanently barred from being elected or appointed to Government or Parliamentary positions. Upon the second offense, the member and all residing puppets thereof shall be permanently banned from the Union."

ARTICLE III: Amendments to Article II of the Constitution of the Union

Section A: Amend “Article II, Section H”

We move to amend Article II, Section H of the Constitution the contain the new text:
“Parliament may not pass a law that targets or restricts the freedom of any one resident, or one that removes or orders the removal of a resident from the region”

ARTICLE IV: Amendments to Article III of the Constitution of the Union

Section A: Amend “Article III, Section A”

We move to amend Article III, Section A of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The Executive Branch of the Parliamentary Union of Sovereign States shall consist of the Founder, President, Prime Minister, and Cabinet, and shall also be known as the Government”

Section B: Amend “Article III, Section B, Subsection 1”

We move to amend Article III, Section B, Subsection 1 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“However, he will maintain minimal interference in the Government and Parliament, will obey the decisions of the Parliament, and will  respect the actions and decisions of the other Executive Officials and the Judicial System”

Section C: Amend “Article III, Section B, Subsection 2”

We move to amend Article III, Section B, Subsection 2 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The Founder will control the elections via Regional Polls, and shall call emergency elections upon the resignation, impeachment, removal, or CTE of an elected official.

Section D: Amend “Article III, Section B, Subsection 3”

We move to amend Article III, Section B, Subsection 3 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The Founder, at his discretion, has the authority to lock the Region by placing a password on the region if a threat is perceived.  The password may be visible or invisible to the members of the union, at the Founder’s discretion”

Section E: Amend “Article III, Section B, Subsection 5”

We move to amend Article III, Section B, Subsection 5 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The Founder has the right to alter the Regional Flag and the WFE, however, may be ordered by Parliament to set a certain flag to remain for a period of six weeks”

Section F: Amend “Article III, Section C, Subsection 3”

We move to amend Article III, Section C, Subsection 3 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The President can veto or sign acts of Parliament”


Section G: Amend “Article III, Section C, Subsection 7”

We move to amend Article III, Section C, Subsection 7 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“The President may appoint Ambassadors to allied regions whose Founder, WA Delegate, or Regional Officers request one”

Section H: Add “Article III, Section C, Subsection 8”

We move to add the following to the Constitution as Article III, Section C, Subsection 8:
“The President may only appoint Members of the Union.  The President may only appoint a Member if the Member in question agrees to uphold the duties and responsibilities of the position the Member is to be appointed to”

Section J: Amend “Article III, Section E, Subsection 2”

We move to amend Article III, Section E, Subsection 2 of the Constitution to contain the new text:
“Cabinet Members may not hold any other position in the Executive Branch”

ARTICLE V: Conclusion

We, the Parliament of the Union, enact this document and its provisions as an Amendment to the Constitution of the Union, and order the Founder to update the Constitution exactly as mandated by the provisions of this document, and in a timely manner.

and amendments:
Code:
Amendment I, Abdoa-
To strike Section C of Article IV from the proposal currently at debate (Item 2: SO#2015-11).

Amendment II, Abdoa-
To strike the following text from Section D of Article II of the proposal currently at debate (Item 2: SO#2015-11):
"Upon first offense, the member, and all puppets thereof, will lose their government position if already a member of the government or Parliament, and be permanently barred from being elected or appointed to Government or Parliamentary positions. Upon the second offense, the member and all residing puppets thereof shall be permanently banned from the Union."

Amendment III, Abdoa-
To amend Section H of Article IV of the proposal currently at debate (Item 2: SO#2015-11) to read as follows:
"We move to add the following to the Constitution as Article III, Section C, Subsection 7, Clause a:
“The President may only appoint Members of the Union to the aforesaid position. The President may only appoint such a Member if the Member in question agrees to uphold the duties and responsibilities of the position the Member is to be appointed to”".

Amendment IV, Abdoa-
To replace the word "States" in Section A of Article IV of the proposal currently at debate (Item 2: SO#2015-11) with the word "Nations".

Amendment V, Abdoa-
To add the following text as Article V of of the proposal currently at debate (Item 2: SO#2015-11) while renumbering the existing Article V as Article VI:
"Article V: Amendments to Article IV of the Constitution of the Union

Section A: Renumbering
To replace the designations of the current Sections 1, 2, and 3 of Article VI of the Constitution with the designations of Sections A, B and C of the aforesaid Article."

Debate time: October 16-18, 2017
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Post by Abdoa Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:04 am

Third item of debate:
SO#2016-09 ("Ending Limitations on Debate Numbers"):

Debate time: October 18-20, 2017
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Post by Abdoa Thu Oct 19, 2017 8:07 am

If passed, this item would render obsolete or redundant several sections of the PPOs (Parliamentary Procedure Orders), including those providing for Motions to Pass to a Vote and those organizing the order in which bills go to the Debate Hall.
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Post by Abdoa Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:35 am

Fourth item of debate:

SO#2017-21:

Debate time: October 20-22
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Post by Abdoa Sat Oct 21, 2017 8:38 am

This proposal was a response to the accumulation of powers by the MoJ that have a huge potential for abuse if put in the wrong hands: however, giving the Founder - an unelected position - veto power over a member of Cabinet is rather abrupt and ultimately makes little difference in the risk.
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Post by Abdoa Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:35 pm

Fifth item of debate:

SO#2016-12:

and amendments thereto

and amendments thereto:
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Post by Abdoa Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:38 pm

The passing of this amendment, with or without the amendments, would cause rampant confusion as to the status of various laws passed by Parliament, either invalidating them, or calling their applicability into question. This means that the Parliament would have to move extremely quickly to safeguard many laws that are essential to the preservation and prosperity of the Union against possible invalidation due to procedural conflicts with the new Constitution.
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Post by Abdoa Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:15 am

Sixth item of debate:
SO#2017-64:

Debate time: October 24-26, 2017
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Post by Abdoa Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:16 am

This proposal is not much different from the previous item considered, so the Chair will only issue one recommendation for them jointly.
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Post by Abdoa Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:38 pm

Seventh item of debate:

Vice-Presidential Amendment:

Debate time: October 26-28, 2017
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Post by Abdoa Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:39 pm

This amendment would have little impact on the Parliamentary process and other processes in the Union bureaucracy, other than assuring to a greater extent that bills will be considered promptly by the President or Vice-President upon passage through Parliament.
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Post by Abdoa Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:52 am

The Committee Report compiled by the Chair is put as follows:

SO#2015-07: Unfavorable Recommendation
This proposal would both create confusion and possibly a constitutional crisis in the event that a Prime Minister delegates his authority to the Act of Parliament-created position of Speaker pro tempore of Parliament - which this proposal would not eliminate - and then goes inactive for more than two days. A Deputy Prime Minister would then have to be elected, but would have no powers to do anything.

SO#2015-11: Favorable Recommendation
Amendments: Favorable Recommendation
This amendment, along with the amendments thereto, would pose no significant problems to the Parliamentary Process.

SO#2016-09: Unfavorable Recommendation
This amendment would render obsolete or redundant several sections of the Parliamentary Procedure Orders, including those providing for Motions to Pass to a Vote and those organizing the order in which bills go to the Debate Hall.

SO#2017-21: No Recommendation
This proposal was a response to the accumulation of powers by the MoJ that have a huge potential for abuse if put in the wrong hands: however, giving the Founder - an unelected position - veto power over a member of Cabinet is rather abrupt and ultimately makes little difference in the risk. However, the proposal would have no effect on the Parliamentary Process.

SO#2016-12: Unfavorable Recommendation
Amendments: No Recommendation
SO#2017-64: Unfavorable Recommendation
The passing of either of these amendment, with or without the amendments to SO#2016-12, would cause rampant confusion as to the status of various laws passed by Parliament, either invalidating them, or calling their applicability into question. This means that the Parliament would have to move extremely quickly to safeguard many laws that are essential to the preservation and prosperity of the Union against possible invalidation due to procedural conflicts with the new Constitution: this might not be possible in entirety, and would certainly place an undue burden on the Parliament's schedule.

Vice-President Amendment: Favorable Recommendation
This amendment would have little impact on the Parliamentary process and other processes in the Union bureaucracy, other than assuring to a greater extent that bills will be considered promptly by the President or Vice-President upon passage through Parliament.


The Committee will now vote on the Report.
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Post by Abdoa Sun Oct 29, 2017 5:53 am

The Chair, Abdoa, votes in favor.
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Post by Abdoa Tue Oct 31, 2017 6:57 am

Though no quorum was reached, the Chair declares closed the voting period on the acceptance of the proposed recommendations to the ECC. These shall be forwarded thence upon its earliest reconvention.
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